LAWYER DEFENDS ADAM AND EVE
Some representative feedback....
PRO ADAM AND EVE...
1) The church has been pulling the wool over our eyes
from the very beginning so why stop now?
Someone charged in court would not be let off because
someone unrelated outside the court was tortured - so
how exactly does the execution of Jesus Christ liberate
people from 'sins'.........how is it possible for one
person's suffering to annul another's wrongdoing?! Finally
common wisdom declares "an apple a day keeps the
It is nothing but religious mental torture to control
and suppress the minds of billions of people over the
ages and aimed especially at the free will of a woman
What is there to say?
For further info on what REALLY happened read "Good
Omens" by Terry Pratchet and Neil Gaiman
I also have a theory on Adam and Eve. They may have been
the first spirits to 'volunteer' for incarnation. They
did not appear on earth because they were cast out for
wrong doing, but they left the spirit world willingly
to experience physical being. This type of discussion
could go on for years, decades, possibly centuries and
probably will! Yours, Sean.
I believe in what you said if this happen then we are
all related by incentous relations of Adam and Eve and
8) Utter rubbish....
9) I love this analysis since I had always laughed at
the story-- "God" threw quite a temper tantrum
just because Eve ate an apple! A stupid apple! Children
constantly are disobeying but what Father condemns them
and his own grandchildren , great grandchildren it shows
the father to be severly unbalanced mentally ill so to
10) Like many Biblical and other myths and stories in
ancient religious texts, it is extremely harmful, obviously
written by a very retrogressed person spiritually probably
for a political motive: i.e. to control and justify all
sorts of things, such as mysoginy for instance. The whole
Bible belongs in the trashcan along with other ancient
religious texts, but perhaps excerpts could be preserved
(such as the Sermon On The Mount and some other supposed
sayings of Jesus) along with wise sayings of other highly
evovled spiritual beings in this world and the next, including
atheists like Sir Bertrand Russell who said: 'Remember
your humanity and forget the rest'.
11) Bullet 18 about the Genesis being incompatible with
the International Covenant on Human Rights was a good
point. However, it not only violates the UN base law,
it doesn't follow reality either. I guess the author's
writing was a silent wish... :-)
12) I am a Catholic. I also was taught the Adam and Eve
story. Now after thinking about it makes no sense. It
would be like putting a chocolate candy bar in the middle
of the table and put liver around the outside and tell
my son he could not eat the chocolate but could only eat
the liver and all he could ever do is look at the chocolate.
How long would that last? That would be mean. Then to
be told if he ate it he would be punished and all generations
for all eternity would be punished if he ate the chocolate.
That is stupid. That does not say much for God. After
all we our all a part of God.
13) All in all, the hugest defect in the whole story is
how God HAD to know, due to his Godly nature, what was
about to happen, and STILL put the tree of knowledge in
the Garden of Eden. Thus, it is my perspective that under
these circumstances, it is God who should have been punished,
and that High Courts all over the world would agree to
charge God with a guilty verdict.
14) I find that most people lack common sense when it
comes to so many things in the Bible. GOD all loving all
forgiving! peolpe read this, in one ear and out the other.for
if you believe this to be true of GOD then how can you
believe anything that would suggest otherwise...!!!! I
believe the bible to be the writings of how humankind
perceived there world at such a time for need of power
and control. they used the Name of GOD as a tool to gain
even more power over their victoms, the way a bully uses
words and sticks. FEAR has overrun common sense for many
life times. remember all loving all forgiving GOD? trust
that if you live the same way, all loving all forgiving,
our world could transfrom overnight!!! eliminate the need
for power, or to be better then the one another, just
live life for the experiences the world has to offer,
thats a world I would love to live in and leave behind
for my children. This is just my loving opinion. Bobbyjo
15) It is the stuff of myths, legends and folklore.
They were told they could partake of every other thing
in the garden but NOT that tree. God would have been more
successful if he'd used reverse psychology! Perhaps it's
really about listening and being obedient. It's fun though
to take the story, pick it apart and make us think.
16) Even as a child I could make no sense of this, and
certainly no sense of a Father letting his son suffer
as Jesus did.
17) Men supposedly created 4000 years BC had already very
good artistic skills when painting caves such as the "grotte
Chauvet" in France 32000 years BC (proven C14 method).
Johannes Greber also was totally wrong in his explanations
of the bible.
18) This sounds like pure mythology. And isn't Genesis
supposed to be about only 10,000 years ago? Science proves
that we've been around longer. Another thing is I used
to wonder why some characters in the Bible live several
hundred years; now I know it's because it's not literally
true. If God created everything and everything that happens
he knows about beforehand, then he shouldn't be surprised
that Eve ate the apple. And Eve is innocent because she
was like a child incapable of knowing right from wrong.
19) I too with Catholic upbringing was told that God incarnated
and basically became Jesus so that he might understand
his human creations. Strange! God is all powerfull, can
create man from dust and yet has to become a man to understand
what man is all about. The Bible is part truth part myth
but definitely totally man made.
20) I could not think of anything to add to your very
excellent 25 Victor.....
21) It's all rubbish!
22) I am 91. When I was 12 at confirmation class (C of
E) I leant to repeat the Athanasion creed, in order to
become a full member. However, with the cold logic of
a 12 year old I thought it was mostly nonsense. If Jesus
was approximately one third of God how could what happened
to him apply to mortals. It can't be logical for one person
to suffer for some one else's sins in any perfect system.
If there is a god it must be of the whole Universe not
just parochial for the Christians of this earth. So I
became an atheist until I was jolted into psychic investigation
by a friend turning out to be a trance medium. George
You often refer to biblical text as myth. Why? Where is
your evidence that any of it is? The apple that Eve ate
for example, is merely a symbolic interpretation to depict
that fruit from the tree of life was eaten. No one knows
what the tree of life looked like, so symbolic representation
would be a natural replacement. I've been a spiritual
follower of God for many years - I quit the church 16
years or so ago, simply because it didn't feel 'right'
to be going to church, to learn about God, when God loves
me for who I am. As anyone who reads their bible on a
daily basis and lives their lives in total faith to God's
teachings, will tell you, the bible can be very paranormal
in its own way. I would ask that you don't diss it so
easily, especially if you're a non-believer in the teachings
of it. Just as those of us that do believe in it respect
other beings' beliefs, please reciprocate that respect.
Over the last few weeks you have been taking a shot at
Christianity which is totally uncalled for. You started
the recent spat with a message to Richard Dawkins suggesting
that he laid off talking about things that he doesn't
understand. As for your recent scour at the Adam and Eve
story, firstly you say that we can't use the fact that
it is a symbolic story or words to that effect because
the Authorities of the Church say that it is literal.
C'mon you must be joking right! I provide for my two sons,
somewhere to live, that is relatively safe and I hope
nice for them, however in one of the rooms on the wooden
table lies an Apple (Mac) it contains a lot of stuff that
the kids don't need to look at and in fact doing so could
screw my schedule up, depending upon what they took for
themselves and deleted from my apple. I bet that some
people have them that if the kids told the teachers at
school what they had found it would result in the kids
being taken into care. So I consider it part of my Duty
of care to tell the kids not to go surfing with my apple.
Now some person at school could quite easily tempt them
to disobey me.
What by not informing them of this possibility, "I
am failing in my duty of care" as you are suggesting?
If you can't relate the Adam and Eve story to things that
go on today, then you have not got a chance of understanding
it. Your definition of "people of the book"
is pretty unimaginative too. Time is an illusion, if a
story you reed has no apparent use in your current situation
then its usefulness was in that it challenged you to judge
whether it was useful or not.
Presenting your information as it comes is good and useful,
however there is this line, He who lives by the sword
shall die by the sword. Kindly stop taking your sword
to the Bible as this act kills off, your ideas and those
of many others, within the minds of those that do find
the book useful.