VICTOR ZAMMIT CROSS-EXAMINES SKEPTIC James RANDI-
'THE CARLOS HOAX'
(This is a continuation
from part 5)
would be fairly close to a real cross-examination- the information
is taken from what closed-minded materialist J.Zwingi Randi
has ALREADY ACCEPTED and IMPLIED. Some very minor flexibility
and embellishment consistent with Zwingi Randi’s beliefs
and record have been used for easier reading and understanding
of the script. In no way this closed minded skeptic's beliefs
are misrepresented. Words in caps are there for emphasis
- very important in cross-examination).
The 'Carlos Hoax'.
You're on record for showing that you are some kind of an
expert at organizing HOAXES. Right?
Randi: Yes ... I do things to show ...
Victor: YOU'VE ANSWERED THE QUESTION! YES YOU SAID!
Randi: ... Alright
.... alright ...
Victor: And with all your expertise at at organizing HOAXES
does not the record show that you were not able to catch
just ONE gifted medium as fraud?
Randi: They're all frauds ...
Victor: Projecting again?... Let me quickly preface
the next question: the record shows that - you virtually
said you gave careful coaching to this Jose Alvarez in this
'CARLOS' HOAX. Sometime in 1987 you sent this fraud Jose
Alvarez to Australia for him to pose as a guru supposedly
channelling a thousand year old spirt and to deceive, to
lie, to be DISHONEST, to cheat, to get into a public nuisance,
right … but I don’t call it cheating, ... I
call it education ...
you admit that it was a HOAX?
yes, yes it was a hoax ...
Victor: Are you trying to PLATE SIN WITH GOLD?
In other words, are you trying to say that a HOAX - which
means deception and dishonesty ... ought to be regarded
as a positive thing and that people should make dishonesty
and cheating socially acceptable?... yes or no ...
Randi: Yes ... I mean NO ... no ... but the hoax
HOAX – the MISREPRESENTATION, THE DISHONESTY, the
CHEATING, the FRAUD on to the people - ALL WERE SUCCESSFUL
it was …. It was the media which promoted the affair
you not claim that national television
Channel 9 '60 minutes' television station contacted you
even before Alvarez left the United States?
Randi: Yes, I did ...
Victor: So, you CLAIM, you and Channel 9 '60 Minutes'
concocted this Carlos hoax. Do you know that 60 Minutes
Channel 9 completely DENIES that?
Randi: I communicated
with them and they responded ...
Victor: But according to the public record YOU
contacted the television station first ... right?
Randi: Yes, you could say that ...
not the record show that this fraudulent Alvarez trained
in dishonesty by you was EXPOSED by
Channel 9's own 60 MINUTES television show journalist George
was not exposed …
no? Then why, according to published media reports, one
of your stooges, during the television interview, threw
a glass of water onto Channel 9 journalist George Negus’
face when George Negus EXPOSED your stooge as a FRAUD?
Randi: (No answer
The humiliating exposing of your stooge was widedly publicised
... don't yo know that?
Randi: No, the hoax was successful
you know that local experts briefed tough journalist George
Negus that Jose Alvarez was a FAKE, a cheat and a liar -
that he was saying the wrong things, waving his hands up
and down in a blatant unnatural, artificial and incompetent
and meaningless way - that this Alvarez very shortly was
seen as a joke trying to fool decent, honest people?
No, I don't accept that ..
would you say to the response given by Channel 9 that Channel
9 LEGALLY did NOT and COULD NOT CO-OPERATE
with you, they received information about the event and
they just REPORTED the event as they’d report any
must have been under a different network manager …..
Victor: But you said just now that Channel 9 co-organized
the Carlos Affair HOAX with you to fool the public …
don’t you know that if a television or any media company
participates in deliberate public fraudulent conduct to
mislead and to deceive, it could pay heavy statutory monitory
penalties – over ONE MILLION DOLLARS
... and it could lose its television license
to broadcast nationally ...
.... and YOU
try to tell and impute to the court and the public that
Channel 9's SIXTY MINUTES program organized the Carlos HOAX
on your behalf or in conjuction with you to take
HUGE risks .... on some unemployed foreign tourist
called Alvarez residing in Bronx in the United States on
a very short visit to Sydney .... to INTENTIONALLY and deliberately
promote FRAUD and DISHONESTY ... and to participate in misleading
and DECEPTIVE CONCUCT TO CHEAT THE AUSTRALIAN PUBLIC?
(looks at the judge) Yes, yes …
Randi) Answer the question …
Randi: Can't answer
that ... Nobody would be able to prove that anyone was deceived
you know that the relevant Federal statutory law –
in relation to misleading and fraudulent conduct –
shows that the complainant does NOT have to prove fraud,
merely to show that the conduct COULD be misleading, it
COULD be fraudulent – which in this case would be
VERY easy to do?
Randi: I don’t
know these things ...
sure the jury heard your answer to that one … Didn’t
you know that Australians are some ten times more skeptical
than Americans and they always use the 'presumption of fraud'
when some ALLEGED overseas guru visits Australia to fleece
them of their hard earned money?
Randi: I didn't
know people in Australia were that skeptical as you say
they are …
don’t you want to accept that whilst Alvarez might
have fooled a few people INITIALLY using deception and fraud,
he was EXPOSED as the GREATEST FRAUD who
ever visited Australia?
Randi: I still
say that the Carlos Affair was successful …
you mean you were successful in the dishonesty, fraudulent
and misleading conduct and cheating you organized through
your stooge Alvarez?
wasn’t dishonesty …
CONCEDED YOU WERE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE HOAX – and is
not a HOAX about misleading and fooling
decent people, about dishonesty, fraud,
lying, cheating … is that your
contribution in this world as a human being?
quiet)… It was honest ….
… doing ‘honest deception’ again …
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